Theology For Men of the West: Biblical Marriage

Marriage Monogamy Monopoly

Modern Monogamy is Monopoly for Women

In the first post of this series, we saw that Man was created by God from the dust of the ground.  However, it was not good for man to be alone, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve.  She was created to be a helper to him, to help him accomplish his mission.

The Mission of Man (Genesis 1:28)  states:

God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

The Law of Marriage (Genesis 2:24) states:

“For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.”

It seems hard to believe, but that verse became the centerpiece of the war against the nobility that was waged by the church in the Middle Ages.  The result was all the lies that were told became entrenched in the culture, which is how we got this travesty called modern marriage.

Modern Marriage

According to Churchians, marriage requires a third party to “solemnize” or “officiate” the marriage and claim the marriage is by the act of mutual consent before witnesses.  As a rule they generally believe that marriage also requires a license from the state.  Following consent in which the couple is “married” with the permission and consent of a third party, sex is considered the “consummation” of the marriage.  Churchians believe that sex is only allowed following such a ceremony and indeed, churchians claim that sex is only moral and licit when it occurs within a marital union.

The modern ideal of marriage is one man with one woman, til divorce do they part (or annulment among certain groups), a union of enforced monogamy for as long as it may last and to hell with the kids who get destroyed in the process of divorce.  The standard of commitment is the same for both husband and wife- strict monogamy until it ends.  Churchians claim that any “cheating” on the part of either the husband or wife is adultery and therefore grounds for divorce.  Not that grounds are even needed now that no-fault divorce allows divorce for any reason or even no reason at all.

There are no modern standards of eligibility other than a restriction on the marriage of close relatives and a prohibition on multiple (state sanctioned) marriages.  While historically only a man could be charged with bigamy (the crime of having more than one licensed concurrent marriage), recently women have been getting charged with bigamy as well.   Standards no longer even require a man and woman because modern marriage now includes monogamous homosexual unions in addition to heterosexual unions.

How this situation came about is a long story filled with lies, political intrigue and the pursuit of power at any cost by the rulers of the church from about 600 to 1100 AD.  It should be pointed out that Wizard’s First Rule states “People are stupid.  They will believe a lie because they either want it to be true or fear it to be true.”   The most amazing thing is that not just churchians but pretty much everyone believes this shit.

“Men and women are equal.”

That is complete bullshit, but people believe in this shit the same way they believe in evolution.  By faith.  Rather than deconstruct it, it’s easier to simply explain the truth.  Keep in mind as you read this- Satan hates mankind and this goes all the way to the original mission of man.  Attack the man and you attack the family.  Attack the family and you attack the next generation, the future.  Destroy the family and you have destroyed everything.  The future belongs to those who show up for it.

Men of the West…  this is the most important issue you face because this fight is over your posterity.  Those who will inherit what you have done.

 

The Biblical Christian Marriage

Genesis 2:24 is the Law of Marriage. This is actually pretty simple.

Sex Is How The Virgin Is Married

The man was authorized by God to begin marriage because marriage begins the family and family is the container in which children are to be brought into this world. That is truth.  Children need both their biological mother and father working together to raise them.  Children need both their parents to work together to raise them.  So, how does this begin?

First is the change in status as the man leaves and goes out from under the authority of his father and mother to be the head of his own house.  The man has sexual intercourse with the eligible virgin and she becomes his wife.  When this occurs, According to Jesus (Matthew 19:4-6), it is God who makes the two “one flesh” in a spiritual joining that the Apostle Paul said was the same as the spiritual joining that makes the Christian a member of the body of Christ (Ephesians 5:28-32).  It is a great mystery.  Thus, the “one flesh” portion of Genesis 2:24 is the spiritual joining that is the act of God and cannot be the act of man.  This act of God occurs when the man penetrates his wife and they have sexual intercourse, but “becoming one flesh” is not sex.

All women are virgins when they marry.  The act of penetrative sexual intercourse with the virgin is what begins a marriage and Scripture does not require any other act, which is why the woman who was sold by her father to be a concubine (Exodus 21:7-10), the woman who was captured in battle (Deuteronomy 21:10-14) and even the woman who was raped (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) were all married with that act.  News Flash:  the virgin’s consent is not required.  This means whether she knew she was being married or not, whether she wanted to be married or not, with that act she is married.  And the Churchians will screech over this, but Scripture is clear what the words of the text mean because the Apostle Paul showed us.

The Consequences of Sex = Marriage

The problem the churchians have with that is they look around and realize they didn’t get their wife’s virginity…  which means she isn’t their wife.  She’s not their wife because she was already a married woman, which means they are living in adultery.  The truth is in any given church at least 80% of all the couples you see are not actually married, they’re living in adultery.

Then, after generations of lies, they have the audacity to say “I cannot believe God would create a situation that required all those marriages be broken up.”   News flash:  God didn’t create this situation, the people who lied and said “sex does not make you married” are the ones who created this.  Even then, God provided a way out.

The father has the authority to forbid the virgin’s agreement to marry that man (which is what her agreement to have sex with him actually was) and in forbidding that agreement, the man is no longer eligible to marry her.  Thus, the sex did not make her married because he was not eligible to marry her.  That is the power of the father over his daughter, which the church usurped from men well over a thousand years ago.

Man was given the authority to initiate marriage, but not given the authority to end the marriage he began.  We know this because of what Jesus said in Matthew 19:3-9.   Moses permitted men to divorce their wives if the woman committed sexual immorality, but according to Jesus, “from the beginning it has not been this way.”  The only way we get “no divorce” from Genesis 2:24 is to recognize that it was a grant of authority to the man to initiate marriage but it contained no authority to end marriage.  Much later in 1st Corinthians 7:10-11 the Lord Jesus Christ re-instituted the standard of Genesis 2:24 (no divorce) for His married servants, but we’ll cover that later.

In addition to the fact that the man was not given the authority to end a marriage once he began it, the man was not restricted to a single wife.  Even though the majority of men have only one wife, they are not restricted to one wife and thus by definition marriage does not mean monopoly for the woman.  The husband always has the right to take another wife and the current wife’s permission is not needed.

The standard for commitment for Christian marriage is thus:

  • The man makes a permanent but not exclusive commitment to the wife.
  • The woman makes a permanent and exclusive commitment to her husband.

A man begins a marriage to a virgin with the act of penetration (sexual intercourse) and with that act he gives his consent and commitment to the marriage.  The virgin is automatically married by that act, provided the man was eligible to marry her, because she has no agency as a virgin.   Unlike a virgin, a widow or a legitimately divorced woman has agency.  She must agree to be married before the act of intercourse will make her married.  That’s rather confusing to many, but I will be covering the issues surrounding the eligibility of non-virgins in my upcoming post on sexual morality.

 

The Churchian Hot Button: Polygyny

“Nobody Gets Married To Sleep Alone…”

First of all, why bring up polygyny?  Because one cannot talk about marriage without discussing the issue of divorce and the issue of polygyny and divorce are intertwined.  One cannot discuss one without the other when looking at the standards of commitment.

The only question with regard to polygyny is whether God changes.  The answer is no, He does not.  By His own testimony He does not change and neither does the Lord Jesus Christ.  The mission was given to man to be fruitful and multiply.  That is a command and contrary to popular belief, getting married and having children is an obligation God placed upon all of mankind.

God created marriage and nowhere in the Bible is monogamy or polygamy mentioned.  There is only marriage.  All men have the option of taking more than one wife and that means while he might only have one wife, she does not have a monopoly on him.

The following rules of marriage were written as part of the “50 Shades of Marriage” post in which I made the point that modern marriage is so screwed up by feminism that the Bible’s rules for marriage sound a lot like the contract for a BDSM style D/s relationship.  Which is probably why the books/movies “50 Shades of Grey” are so popular.  Women want a masculine, dominant man and modern marriage castrates men by putting the wife in power over them.

 

The Bible’s Rules For the D/s
Relationship Called Marriage:

  1. The act of penetrative sexual intercourse is required to begin the relationship.  If the woman is a virgin sex automatically begins the relationship.  If she is not a virgin but otherwise eligible, she must agree to the relationship prior to the sex initiating the relationship. (Genesis 2:24 as defined by 1st Corinthians 6:16)
  2. The commitment standard of the man is permanent, which means that once given he cannot rescind his commitment (regardless of her behavior).  His commitment is non-exclusive, which means that at his discretion he may bring other women into the relationship at any time. (Genesis 2:24)
  3. The commitment standard of the woman is permanent and she is bound to her man for as long as he lives.  Her commitment is exclusive, which means that he is her one and only.  Sex with any other man is the crime of adultery  (Romans 7:2-3).
  4. The relationship between the man and women is one of master-servant, or ruler-subject.  The man is to rule his women and has complete authority over them, over every aspect of their lives, in everything. (Genesis 3:16, Numbers 30, Ephesians 5, 1st Peter 2-3)
  5. The man is required to love his women.  This love is defined as holding them accountable for good behavior and requiring their obedience.  When they transgress he is required to rebuke and discipline them (Hebrews 12:5-11, Revelation 3:19).
  6. Part of this accountability is his obligation to review any and every agreement she makes with others.  If he desires he may say nothing and let it stand but if he does not like it he is to forbid it in the day he hears of it (Numbers 30).
  7. The woman is to submit to her man in everything, no exceptions (Ephesians 5:22-24).
  8. Her submission is not dependent on her opinion of his behavior or his actual behavior.  If the man is displaying bad behavior the woman is to submit to him without a word and win him over with her quiet and chaste conduct (1st Peter 3:1-6).
  9. Sex is to be on demand and the woman’s body belongs to the man.  Likewise, the man is to ensure the women’s sexual needs are met (1st Corinthians 7:4, Exodus 21:10).
  10. Sexual activity such as masturbation, oral, vaginal or anal is all at the discretion of the man inasmuch as none of these things are forbidden in any way  (Ephesians 5:22-24).
  11. The woman is required to live with her man in order that he might meet his responsibility to hold her accountable for her behavior (1st Peter 3:7, 1st Corinthians 7:10).
  12. If the woman chooses to violate requirement #11 and leave her man, she is to remain single (chaste) or be reconciled to her man (1st Corinthians 7:10-11).
  13. If the woman has left her man in violation of these rules, she still retains the right of return.  If she returns in complete submission to him, the man is required to accept her return to the relationship and cannot refuse to be reconciled to her (1st Corinthians 7:11, 1st Peter 3:7).
  14. The women are not required to love their man but they are required to respect him, obey him and submit to him (Genesis 3:16, Numbers 30, Ephesians 5, 1st Peter 3:1-2).
  15. Women are encouraged to call their man “Master” without being frightened by any fear (1st Peter 3:6).
  16. As part of the women’s requirement to respect their man, it is appropriate to treat him as if they were enlisted persons and he was a commissioned officer.  Call him “Sir” and be respectful in language and posture, as well as giving an appropriate “salute” such as a bow of the head or kiss on the cheek when that is appropriate.
  17. Women belong to their man and are required to remain faithful to him, although masturbation and sexual activity with other women are allowed at his discretion.
  18. The man may have sex with any woman outside the relationship that he is eligible to marry, except for prostitutes.
  19. The women must not have vaginal intercourse while they are menstruating (Leviticus 18:19).
  20. Vaginal intercourse is forbidden following childbirth for a period of 40 days if the child was a boy and 80 days for a girl (Leviticus 12).
  21. Any other rules are negotiable or at the discretion of the husband.

Lessons? Too many to count.  This is the heart of what Men of the West must know.

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28 Responses to Theology For Men of the West: Biblical Marriage

  1. jonathananglosaxon says:

    So to be with a woman you must not get married in the eyes of the state because it’s far too dangerous. But living with a woman without getting ‘married’ is scandalous to modern churchians. Woman care very deeply about their reputations. How do you get a girl to accept the disapproval of churchians and her family? They would all think something is very wrong if we don’t get ‘married.’ Not to mention if I’m able to get another wife for myself.

    The other problem is that because girls don’t seek ‘marriage’ at all until they’re in their mid twenties or even later the chances of finding a virgin who isn’t overweight is tiny and I’m not interested in a girl who has already been banged by multiple guys. Unless she is going to be a second wife then I wouldn’t mind so much.

    Thirdly how do I get a girl to go along with me being the dominant masculine man who gets sex in whatever position I want whenever I want? She can destroy my life with one phone call. For example if she misbehaves and I give her a spanking or even threaten a spanking she could just go call the police and cry her eyes out and I’m screwed. The government is all powerful right now.

    I want to obey Gods command to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth but it’s difficult to do in todays conditions.

    • So to be with a woman you must not get married in the eyes of the state because it’s far too dangerous.

      I will be covering this in a lot more detail, this post was doctrinal in nature. The fact is, in the United States, any form of monogamy can be deemed to be marriage if the couple is living together and sharing a bed. There was a time in which one had to have a marriage license from the state in order to be considered married, but judges have been chipping away at that. Alabama is now at the forefront of this by seeking to remove the requirement of marriage licenses, effectively giving judges the power to declare any sexual relationship a marriage. There are solutions, I will be covering them.

      The purpose of this series is the Alt-West needs to have God’s instruction on marriage, divorce and sexual morality explained.

      I’m not interested in a girl who has already been banged by multiple guys.
      ….
      how do I get a girl to go along with me being the dominant masculine man who gets sex in whatever position I want whenever I want?

      Read the following two three posts:
      https://artisanaltoadshall.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/christian-dating-foreplay-a-requirement-today/

      https://artisanaltoadshall.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/the-christian-hostility-to-becoming-attractive/

      https://artisanaltoadshall.wordpress.com/2016/11/17/five-is-not-the-number-you-want/

      I give her a spanking or even threaten a spanking she could just go call the police and cry her eyes out and I’m screwed.

      You don’t understand dominance and attraction. Read this post:
      https://artisanaltoadshall.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/you-need-to-be-spanked/

      • jonathananglosaxon says:

        So I need to improve myself to get what I want then. Is is Ju-jitsu a good martial art to learn? There is a club near me.

        • So I need to improve myself to get what I want then.

          The taller you are the easier it is, but, yes. Keep in mind, women are not the focus, your life’s mission is the focus. If you look around you’ll notice that the vast majority of men are pathetic. They could improve themselves but they won’t do it. That is your opportunity.

          A solid 5-year plan would put you in the top 5% of all men at the end of 5 years and perhaps before then, depending on where you are now. You can become the man that men want to be like and women want to be with… but unless you’re born with a silver spoon in your mouth nobody will hand this to you on a platter. You must earn it.

          You’ll learn that game (which is essentially learned charisma) will work wonders for you in virtually all aspects of your life. Achieving a masculine physique, dressing well and having great confidence are attractive to everyone and they’ll help you reach your goals and accomplish your mission.

          Re- fighting. In the beginning just about anything is helpful, but there needs to be some striking involved and the fewer rules the better. Brazilian Ju-jitsu is excellent. Learning how to fight is good because it builds both confidence and humility. Getting punched in the face and learning it isn’t the end of the world is a good thing.

      • jonathananglosaxon says:

        Yes I’ve noticed that the vast majority of other men are pathetic. There are some older men who I have respect for but most men my age will spout all the drivel about equality. I’ve got along way to go to become masculine and get where I want to be, but I found that at work I’m the most masculine man my age. The guy who sits next to me has even been asking for me for dating advice when I’ve been a social recluse for the last few years (which I’ve been working on recently).

        • Morality must be at the center of a man’s development and to be a man of excellence you must have a strong moral core. Over time you will find that acting in accordance with what you know to be right will win you both friends and enemies.

      • SnapperTrx says:

        You had mentioned SARMS at one time and though I was poised to buy some the seller stopped selling before I could buy. Do you have or know of a provider of proven safe and effective SARMS? I want to try them, but my recent stay in the hospital with blood pressure medication induced pancreatitis makes me especially wary about what pills I swallow.

  2. Renee Harris says:

    Sir. I wanted to ask the throne long time but I’ve been ashamed or thought it was weird. How do you keep your wives from having their period that the same time?

  3. feeriker says:

    Well done, Toad.

    It speaks volumes that your challenges to the churchian loudmouths to refute your points, Sola Scriptura, have so far gone unanswered. Expect more of the usual doubling down on the extra-Scriptural nonsense in response.

  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You have made great effort here, but I can’t help thinking that modern women will not accept the previous deal which worked well in the past. They believe the new one puts them in the driver’s seat and they like that. That the car runs headlong into a brick wall is of secondary importance.

    • Thank you Fuzzie, but I don’t agree about the women because it isn’t about the women- it’s about the men. When a woman is highly attracted to a man, she will desire a relationship with him and not want to leave that relationship.

      Women desire masculine, dominant, charismatic men who ooze with confidence. I can state that with authority because God said a woman’s desire will be for a man who is fit to rule over her. Plenty of women with no desire to be tied up and spanked are interested in some sort of “50 Shades” relationship because that seems to be their ticket to the kind of man they want.

      Nothing you or I or anyone else can do will change the system, but you do have the power to change you. Become that high-value man that a woman would crawl over broken glass to get to. You won’t regret it.

  5. Renee Harris says:

    Sir how can a woman increase her metabolism and keep her weight down if he only eat maybe want to twice a week. I have a bad habit of eating twice A day. In addition I have been offered the job so I tried to eat food in the trunk during the day. I grew up with a fast metabolism and never learned how to properly eat in order to stay thin I would like to get down to 110 pounds.

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  7. AP says:

    Thank you Toad for your work.

    I am curious about the wedding ceremony written of in John 2. I assume that after the groom got the permission of the bride’s father to marry, he left to prepare a place for her in his father’s home and returned when ready to take his bride and consummate the marriage.

    I assume the events of John 2 are simply a celebration of the new couple and have no relation to the current church ceremony that is performed today. Do you have any details about wedding celebrations in Jewish tradition that you could share?

    Thank you

    • No, I do not place confidence in Jewish tradition. The Law of Marriage describes how a marriage is initiated. Numbers 30:2 says that if a man makes an agreement or vow he is to keep his vow.

      So, if the man and the woman’s father agree to a betrothal period followed by a wedding celebration, the man is obligated to honor that. The agreement was voluntary but once made is a requirement.

      This is why I don’t like the word “consummate”. According to Genesis 2:24, the marriage *begins* with the act of coitus. Everything else is just bells and whistles, the marriage begins with sex. In the absence of any other agreements, only sex with the virgin is required to begin the marriage. Whether she knew it or not, whether she agreed to it or not.

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  11. Derek Ramsey says:

    “Sex creates the marriage..The act of penetrative sexual intercourse with the virgin is what begins a marriage and Scripture does not require any other act…they had the marriage ceremony…The father has the authority to forbid the virgin’s agreement to marry that man…Man was given the authority to initiate marriage, but not given the authority to end the marriage he began”

    You’ve got a contradiction here. Either “Scripture does not require any other act” or it requires the permission of the girl’s father.

    If the only thing that begins a marriage is penetrative sexual intercourse with a virgin, then whether or not they have the permission of the father, they are married. You said as much when you said they had a marriage ceremony. Since man has no authority to end a marriage, the father cannot annul it once it has begun. Under your initial claim, the father cannot forbid the virgin’s agreement to marry the man because they are already married and divorce is not permitted. So how can the father forbid that which God has brought together?

    • Derek Ramsey says:

      Let’s jump right through your first objection and go straight to my reply.

      When the man and the virgin woman have sex, they are married. Period. There is no qualification, as you say. When the father absolutely refuses the marriage, due to the hardness of his heart, God allows the husband and wife to be divorced. It can’t be anything else: the marriage which was started in that marriage ceremony, as defined by Genesis, is ending. Notice that the husband must still pay the virgin bride price because they were married. Yes, the woman is forgiven for the divorce (Numbers 30:5), but nothing is said about whether or not the father or husband are forgiven for the divorce.

      …provided the man was eligible to marry her…

      The only eligibility requirement is that she is not already married.

      • “When the father absolutely refuses the marriage, due to the hardness of his heart, God allows the husband and wife to be divorced.”

        No. You are reading things into the text that are not there. First, there is no divorce because there was no marriage.

        Keep in mind, the authority of the father is to review and either approve of or forbid his daughters vows and agreements. The agreement to marry came before the sex. The father, in forbidding the agreement, is (after the fact) making the man ineligible to marry his daughter. He is refusing to allow his daughter to marry that man.

        Not being eligible to marry her, the sex did not make her married any more than sex with a man who represented a forbidden relationship (incest) could make her married. This reflects the fact that some people are not eligible to marry each other and the act of marriage is not going to make them married because the relationship is forbidden. A man having sex with his virgin sister is the act of incest, not marriage.

        “Notice that the husband must still pay the virgin bride price because they were married.”

        No, the man in Exodus 22:17 (not a husband, unlike verse 16 she is not referred to as his wife) must pay the bride price for virgins because that was the judgment of Moses. You are attempting to insert the reason why, when Moses didn’t explain. There are a number of different ways to speculate on it, but from the common theme of paying the father, I think it fell out like this:

        The man who seduced the woman triggered the law of marriage. If you look at Numbers 30 you’ll see that the authority over a daughter passes over to her husband completely when they are married and he is to review all her previous agreements and vows she made and her father approved of. If he doesn’t like them he can forbid them.

        So, regardless of what she might have agreed to with her father and not having an agreement on his part with the father to pay the bride price and given that they are now married, why should the man pay the father? He can get his wife for free if he can seduce her, according to that line of reasoning.

        Obviously a father objected to that and the case came before Moses.

        It seems that as Moses looked at it, for the one who got to keep his bride, he has to pay the bride price because they are married. The one who was refused had to pay the bride price as well because now she is damaged goods and the father might have to pay money to get a decent marriage for her.

        That’s difficult to explain to people today because they never read Leviticus 21:13-15. While that was instruction to the priests, specific to the sons of Aaron, it set the standard for all of the Israelites: only a virgin was an appropriate bride with which to have children, in order that the children not be profaned. Therefore, the “damaged goods” issue is reflected in the language of the father “absolutely refusing” to give his daughter. Choosing to refuse to give his daughter is to cause her problems for the rest of her life.

        Part of the stigma was that not being a virgin and not being married, she can have sex with whomever she wants and does not commit sin (no prohibitions in the Law). This is where prostitution comes in. A woman who is not a virgin and not married cannot be married unless she agrees to be married (Numbers 30:9 and 1st Cor. 7:39). She can have sex with any man that’s eligible to marry her and it’s not a sin but she isn’t married to that man unless she agrees to be married to him. Which is how you can have a righteous prostitute. Such as Rahab. There is no prohibition anywhere in the Bible on any woman (Christian or not) being a prostitution as long as she’s not committing adultery or idolatry.

        “Yes, the woman is forgiven for the divorce (Numbers 30:5), but nothing is said about whether or not the father or husband are forgiven for the divorce.”

        Again, no divorce because there was no marriage. However, you didn’t read far enough. Numbers 30:14-15 (specific to husbands but applicable to daughters as well) says that if the husband hears of the agreement and does nothing about it then the agreement is confirmed. However, if after some time passes and the husband annuls the agreement, then he shall bear her guilt. The key there is he did not annul it “in the day he heard of it” but waited. The other point is that the husband has the authority to forbid and annul his wife’s agreements even after some time. His authority over his wife is absolute.

        This points to the logical conclusion that if the husband forbids the vow or agreement in the day he hears of it, he bears no guilt. He only bears guilt if he waits until later. That was specific to husbands and not to fathers, so when Dad is presented with a seduction of his daughter he has one chance to make the call. After that, one way or another, it’s done, but he bears no guilt over it.

        • Derek Ramsey says:

          He can get his wife for free if he can seduce her, according to that line of reasoning.

          You are just pointing out the logical conclusion of the contradiction in your own argument. 1) sex with a virgin is marriage; 2) they had a marriage ceremony; 3) no man has authority to end a marriage; 4) The father can annul the marriage. However, premise #4 contradicts your stated other premises (#1, #2, #3). The contradiction in your argument leads to the false conclusion that he can get a free wife.

          Because there is a contradiction, the implication is that #3 is not true when you say that the sex was not immorality and that the father’s rights to end the marriage are an ‘exception’ to #1 or #2. This is a further absurdity, because a father’s rights can’t erase the fact that his virgin daughter really had a sex-marriage-ceremony. This is special pleading.

          I said “Notice that the husband must still pay the virgin bride price because they were married.”

          You said “No, the man in Exodus 22:17…must pay the bride price for virgins because that was the judgment of Moses. You are attempting to insert the reason why, when Moses didn’t explain. There are a number of different ways to speculate on it

          There is no need to speculate, because the reason is plainly stated right in the verses. There is no need for an exception to Genesis 2:24. So not only is your argument a logical contradiction (as stated above), it is also unnecessary speculation.

          Tom Shipley writes on p.66-71 of “Man and Woman In Biblical Law – part 2” that the bride price payment is intended to secure the woman as a free-wife (with inheritance rights). The man cannot seduce her to make her a concubine (servant-wife) without her father’s consent. The father has the right to arrange a marriage for his daughter, as you say, but he also has the annulment power over the marriage. But that does not mean the marriage did not take place. The rights of the father (Numbers 30:3-5) are greater than that of the would-be husband (Numbers 30:6-16). The parental authority to arrange the marriage is the issue dealt with by this law. For the law to make sense it had to be a marriage.

          ..why should the man pay the father?

          He cannot get a wife for free. That is the exact point of this passage. Getting his wife for free (a concubine) is expressly forbidden by the unconditional payment of a bride price (as I pointed out on “Modern Women: Schrödinger’s Cats”). He either ‘makes an honest woman out of her’ by taking her as a free-wife or her father forced a divorce. Her father receives the virgin bride price as compensation in either case. Shipley goes on to argue that the girl must immediately inform her father of the act.

          I derived the meaning of the passage by using logical principles. Shipley derived the same meaning from his awareness of how dowry and marriage (free-wife vs. servant-wife) works in biblical marriages. The argument is both logically and historically sound and free of speculation.

    • Since man has no authority to end a marriage, the father cannot annul it once it has begun.”

      No, the exception to that is if she is in her youth living in her father’s house, her father has the authority/responsibility to review all of her vows and agreements. He can allow them to stand or forbid them.

      Read Number 30:3-5 very carefully. The agreement of the daughter to have sex is her agreement to marry, whether she knows it or not. When that agreement to have sex is followed by sex, the father can only review her decision after the fact.

      That created the conflict of law that you are describing. Does the Law of Marriage trump the father’s authority to review every decision his daughter makes, or does the father’s authority over his daughter to forbid even the vows she makes to God trump the Law of Marriage?

      That went to Moses and his judgment in Exodus 22:16-17 answered that question. The father’s authority to review his daughter’s vows and agreements is absolute. In verse 16, in the day the father heard of her agreement to marry he did not forbid it, therefore they are married. In verse 17, he “absolutely refused to give her” and they are not married.

      Compare that to the judgment in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, in which the daughter made no agreement the father could forbid. If they were discovered (witnesses proving she did not agree) they are married. I don’t know if you have any daughters, but your daughter being raped is probably the prime example of a situation in which the father would want to forbid the marriage. But it isn’t the marriage the father is forbidding, his authority is to forbid any vows or agreements his daughter may make. Lacking an agreement on her part (as proved by witnesses), the Law of Marriage says they are married.

      • Derek Ramsey says:

        Read Number 30:3-5 very carefully. The agreement of the daughter to have sex is her agreement to marry, whether she knows it or not.

        What you’ve written in this article is logically contradictory. Here is what you’ve stated:
        1) ‘shall cleave’ – This is the only visible action that takes place. Sex creates the marriage.
        2) ‘shall become one flesh’ – This is the part where the man has sex with her, initating and consummating the marriage to her.
        3) The act of penetrative sexual intercourse with the virgin is what begins a marriage and Scripture does not require any other act, which is why the woman who was sold by her father to be a concubine (Exodus 21:7-10), the woman who was captured in battle (Deuteronomy 21:10-14) and even the woman who was raped (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) were all married with that act.
        4) Man was given the authority to initiate marriage, but not given the authority to end the marriage he began

        I don’t disagree with any of this. The ‘Act of Marriage’ is sex. Every time a person (not just a virgin woman) has sex, they are engaging in the act of marriage. This is plain from Genesis 2:23-24, which predates the law. The explanation of the Law must conform to Genesis 2, not the other way around. Jesus affirmed the priority of this passage when he quoted from it in Matthew 19.

        Moreover, the act of marriage in adulterous situations is still marriage. That’s why it is utterly corrupt because it violates the existing marriage. It is in a sense theft, but worse. Of course it is not civilly or legally sanctioned as a marriage, but that changes nothing about the act itself. Divorce, meanwhile, is a formal civil and legal severing of the marriage relationship: they will not live with each other, be treated as husband and wife, or have any of the benefits of marriage. But they are permanently joined as one flesh.

        5) The father has the authority to forbid the virgin’s agreement to marry that man (which is what her agreement to have sex with him actually was) and in forbidding that agreement, the man is no longer eligible to marry her. Thus, the sex did not make her married because he was not eligible to marry her.

        And here is where it goes wrong. Statements #1, #2, #3, and #4 directly contradict #5. Like adultery, the marriage is not valid (in the civil and legal sense), but it still took place. Two flesh became one. This is unconditional: there is no qualification in Genesis that changes this. The father of the woman is annulling the civil/legal marriage, but he cannot sever the spiritual and physical joining of flesh because no man can do that. The discussion on vows and agreements (Numbers 30:3-5; Exodus 22:16-17; Deut. 22:28-29) cannot override #1, #2, #3, and #4.

        “Does the Law of Marriage trump the father’s authority to review every decision his daughter makes, or does the father’s authority over his daughter to forbid even the vows she makes to God trump the Law of Marriage?”

        They are not in conflict. The Father could intervene in contracts, vows, and agreements as per his rights under the Law. He could forbid marriage rights to the man and was not required to treat it as a marriage under the Law. But he can’t change the fact that a marriage (sex) took place and the two became one flesh.

        “…your daughter being raped is probably the prime example of a situation in which the father would want to forbid the marriage”

        Absolutely. Nobody is saying that the father should not have the right to forbid marriage rights to the man in this situation. But that marriage took place nonetheless. The rape was an abomination in the eyes of God, but it doesn’t change the fact that the marriage took place.[1] It’s a tragedy and a sin precisely because of this.

        Rape is sexual immorality, so a rapist (presuming he is allowed to live) has not only lost the right to this marriage, but any future marriage would be adultery (Matthew 19). The woman, however, did not commit sexual immorality, so she is both ‘forgiven’ and free to remarry.

        Now if it was not rape and the man and woman both agreed to the marriage, then the Father should not execute his right under the Law to annul the marriage. Moses allowed it due to the hardness of their hearts (v8), but it is not that which was from the beginning (v4-5).

        [1] Divorce is, by definition, the ending of a marriage. Since Genesis 2 defined it as a marriage and the Law allowed it to not exist, then it is simply a logical conclusion that it is divorce.

        • “But he can’t change the fact that a marriage (sex) took place and the two became one flesh.”

          Reading comprehension. By definition, the agreements get reviewed *after the fact* and the father has the authority to forbid them. You seem to be having problems with the word “exception” because when it comes to the Law of Marriage, this situation is an exception due to the authority of the father. Again, the judgment on this was given in Exodus 22:16-17.

          “Rape is sexual immorality”

          Cite, please. Immorality is a violation of the Law, thus an immorality is contrary to God’s Law. Which means there is a definite prohibition you can point to. Please cite it.

          Deuteronomy 22 is the ONLY portion of the Law that covers what you call rape, but it does not mention rape. There is forced adultery and there is marriage sex that are both forced. The forced adultery gets the death penalty (adultery), the marriage sex gets a marriage. There is no mention of widows or divorced women.

          The point is that the rape of the eligible virgin is not a sin, per se, but because the man did so he cannot divorce her all the days of his life and he has to pay a rather large bride price for her. And nobody likes that, but God made the rules.

          And just to be clear, Romans 4:15 and 5:13 are very specific, sin is a violation of the Law. Please cite where “rape” is a violation of the law. Your claims of an abomination in the eyes of God and sin are not supported by Scripture.

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